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我是一个很呆的人。但是,做事情就是要讲究个真实。
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发表于 2012-5-4 13:54:59 |显示全部楼层
CNN记者于北京时间5月3日凌晨3点、也就是陈光诚离开美国大使馆就医后的数小时,与陈光诚及其妻袁伟静透过电话进行了采访。访谈是用中文进行。这是CNN发表的通话记录:

  记者:你为何改变原先要留在中国的想法?
  陈:我觉得是我做这样决定的时间了。

  记者:为什么?
  陈:为了安全。

  记者:对你的生命或你家人的生命安全感到害怕?
  陈:都有。

  记者:如果你留在中国,可能发生什么事?
  陈:什么事都可能发生。

  记者:美国官员说你离开大使馆的时候看起来很乐观,(后来)发生什么事了?
  陈:那时我没有很多信息。在大使馆里我不被允许打电话给朋友,我无法获得消息,因此无法知道正在发生的事。

  记者:什么促使你改变心意?
  陈:使馆不停地游说我离开,并承诺会有人与我留在医院。但今天下午,我到医院办理手续,我发现他们都不见了。

  记者:美国让你失望吗?
  陈:我对美国政府非常失望。

  记者:为什么?
  陈:我认为(美国官员)在这件事情上没有保护人权。

  记者:你想对美国总统奥巴玛说什么吗?
  陈:我想对(奥巴马)说:请您做任何努力让我整个家庭都能离开。

  记者:这是你最紧急的期望吗?
  陈:是的。

  记者:你的妻子在你逃离后,对你说过什么?
  陈:(我妻子)被警察绑在椅子上两天,然后他们拿了很粗的棍子到我们家去,威胁说要打死她。现在他们已经住进我家了,用我们的饭桌吃饭,用我们的物品。我们家院子、屋顶都有看守。他们也在我家里安装了7个监视摄影机,并在院子里装上电篱笆。

  记者:如果你不离开大使馆,官员对她说什么?
  陈:他们说会把她送回去(东师古村),那里的人会打她。

  记者:如果你留在中国,是不是没有未来?
  陈:我认为是的。

  记者:你离开大使馆后在医院才知道大部分的这些信息吗?
  陈:是的,大部分。

  记者:你的妻子和孩子们跟你在一起吗?
  陈:是的。我刚把手机开机。有一阵子我没法接、打电话,现在我可以接电话,但没法拨出。我觉得我的权利已经受到侵犯了。

  记者:大使馆没人接你电话,有这样的是吗?
  陈:是的。我给两位大使馆的人打过无数次电话。

  记者:你想对美国政府说什么?
  陈:我想要他们透过具体行动来保护人权,我们处在危险中。如果你可以跟希拉里通话,我希望她可以帮我一家人离开中国。

  记者:越快越好吗?
  陈:是的,越快越好。

  记者:现在全世界都在关注你,你对此有何感想?
  陈:我很感激,我觉得他们的关心很真诚,不是为了作秀。

  记者:你觉得被大使馆骗了吗?
  陈:我觉得有一点。

  记者:这样的考验给你什么启发吗?
  陈:我觉得每个人都太专注于自身利益,而牺牲了自己的信誉。

  记者:你们两位凌晨3点都还醒着,觉得焦虑吗?
  陈:是的,我们非常焦虑。我告诉大使馆,我想跟众议员史密斯(Chris Smith)通话,可是他们不曾安排,我觉得有点困惑。

  以下是CNN记者与陈光诚妻子袁伟静的对话

  记者:你们现在的想法是什么?
  袁:了解事实后,我们两个都想要与孩子一起尽快离开这里,对我们而言太危险了。

  记者:陈光诚逃离后,(家中)情况更恶化吗?
  袁:是的,更糟了。

  记者:他逃离后,你们发生了什么事?他的母亲在哪里?
  袁:她还在家里,其它人搬进去了。以前是当地雇来的便衣,现在都是警察。他们威胁要切断我们的电源,他们在我们的院子里挖什么东西,好像要安装什么东西。

  记者:他逃离后,他们把你拘禁后发生了什么?
  袁:他们想知道他到底怎么逃跑的。光诚是盲人,而且(他们说)我们请了那么多保安,怎么可能让他逃了,他到外面后到底会做什么?

  记者:中国是你想将孩子养育成人的国家吗?
  袁:光诚逃离后,政府说服我要留在这里,但他们也收紧他们对我的控制,我真的很担心,如果他们把我们弄回家了,他们会把我们囚禁起来。

  记者:你想对国务卿希拉里说什么?
  袁:我知道中美关系涵盖许多问题,他们必须考虑很多事情。但关于我家庭的事实是,我们的生命处于明显的危险中。如果我们留在这儿或被送回山东,我们的生命将受到威胁。在这种情况下,我希望美国政府保护我们,基于保护人权的价值上帮助我们离开中国。

  记者:如果不被允许回去,你准备好了吗?
  袁:我们已经准备好了,因为我们的情况相当危险。他们做了很多承诺,但现在我们甚至不能自由的使用我们的电话,我甚至不能自由的走出医院,朋友不能拜访我们。

  记者:有人在医院理监视你们吗?
  袁:他们有保安。

  记者:大使馆的人离开了吗?
  袁:是的,他们答应留在这里陪光诚——那会给我们一种安全感,但进到医院病房后,我们就没看到任何一位。是我说服光诚要到医院寻求治疗,但我不知道大使馆(的人)游说他离开(大使馆)。

  以下是CNN网站刊出的英文译文:

  Editor's note: CNN spoke with Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng and his wife Yuan Weijing from his Beijing hospital room just before 3 a.m. (3 p.m. ET) on Thursday May 3, hours after he left the U.S. embassy of his own volition to seek medical care. This is an English translation of a phone interview conducted in Mandarin.

  Chen Guangcheng, activist

  Q: Why did you change your mind about staying in China?
  A: I think it's time for me to make such a choice.

  Q: Why?
  A: For safety.

  Q: Fear for your life or your family's?
  A: Both.

  Q: What would happen if you stay in China?
  A: Anything could happen.

  Q: U.S. officials said you looked optimistic when you walked out of the embassy, what happened?
  A: At the time I didn't have a lot of information. I wasn't allowed to call my friends from inside the embassy. I couldn't keep up with news so I didn't know a lot of things that were happening.

  Q: What prompted your change of heart?
  A: The embassy kept lobbying me to leave and promised to have people stay with me in the hospital. But this afternoon as soon as I checked into the hospital room, I noticed they were all gone.

  Q: Has the U.S. disappointed you?
  A: I'm very disappointed at the U.S. government.

  Q: Why?
  A: I don't think (U.S. officials) protected human rights in this case.

  Q: What would you say to U.S. President Obama?
  A: I would like to say to (President Obama): Please do everything you can to get our whole family out.

  Q: Is this your most urgent wish?
  A: That's right.

  Q: What has your wife told you after you escaped?
  A: (My wife) was tied to a chair by police for two days. Then they carried sticks to our home, threatening to beat her to death. Now they have moved into the house -- eating at our table and using our stuff. Our home is teeming with security -- on the roof and in the yard. They have installed seven surveillance cameras inside the house and built electric fences around the yard.

  Q: What did officials tell her if you didn't leave the embassy?
  A: They said they would send her back (to Shandong) and people there would beat her.

  Q: If you stay in China, is there no future?
  A: I tend to think so.

  Q: You learned most information in the hospital after you left the embassy?
  A: Yes, most of it.

  Q: Are your wife and kids with you?
  A: Yes. I just switched my cell phone back on. For a while, I couldn't make or receive calls. Now I can receive calls but still can't dial out. I feel my rights are already being violated.

  Q: Is it true no one from the embassy picked up your calls?
  A: Yes. I called two embassy people numerous times.

  Q: What do you want to say to the U.S. government?
  A: I want them to protect human rights through concrete actions. We are in danger. If you can talk to Hillary (Clinton), I hope she can help my whole family leave China.

  Q: As soon as possible?
  A: Yes, as soon as possible.

  Q: The whole world is watching you -- how do you feel about this?
  A: I feel very grateful. I feel they are sincere in their concern, not just for show.

  Q: Do you feel you were lied to by the embassy?
  A: I feel a little like that.

  Q: What has this ordeal taught you?
  A: I feel everyone focuses too much on their self-interest at the expense of their credibility.

  Q: You're both still up at 3 a.m. -- feeling anxious?
  A: Yes, we feel a lot of anxiety.... I told the embassy I would like to talk to Rep. Smith (Congressman Chris Smith) but they somehow never managed to arrange it. I feel a little puzzled.

  Yuan Weijing, Chen Guangcheng's wife

  Q: What do you want right now?
  A: After seeing the reality, we both want to leave this place with our kids as soon as possible. It's very dangerous for us.

  Q: Has the situation gotten worse since his escape?
  A: Yes, worse.If we stay here or get sent back to Shandong, our lives would be at stake.

  Q: What happened to you after he escaped -- where is his mother?

  A: She's still back home and others have moved in. It used to be plainclothes security hired locally but now it's all policemen. They've threatened to cut our power. They are also digging something outside our yard. It seems that they'll install something there.

  Q: What happened when they took you into custody after his escape?
  A: They wanted to know how exactly he escaped. Guangcheng is blind and we hired so many guards, how did we lose him and what exactly would he do once he was out?

  Q: Is China the kind of country you want to bring your children up?
  A: After Guangcheng got out, the government was persuading me to stay here. But they were also tightening their grip on me. I became really worried. If they ever get us back home, they would put us in an iron cage.

  Q: What would you say to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton?

  A: I know Sino-U.S. relations encompass many issues and they have to consider many things. But the reality about my family is that our lives are in obvious danger. If we stay here or get sent back to Shandong, our lives would be at stake. Under such circumstances, I hope the U.S. government will protect us and help us leave China based on its value of protecting human rights.

  Q: Are you prepared for not being allowed back?
  A: We are prepared because our current situation is very dangerous... They made many promises. But right now, we can't even freely use our phone. I can't even freely walk out of the hospital. Friends can't visit us. It just proves that our human rights are not being protected.

  Q: Are there people watching you at the hospital?
  A: They have security guards here.

  Q: Have the embassy people have left?
  A: Yes. They promised to stay here with Guangcheng -- that would give us some sense of security. But we haven't seen anyone since we checked into this hospital room. I was actually persuading Guangcheng to seek treatment in a hospital -- but I didn't know the embassy (people) were lobbying him to leave (the embassy).


  附:美国媒体相关报道 Chinese activist now wants to leave China, US under pressure to intervene

  The Chinese activist at the center of an international tug-of-war now wants to flee China with his family, a U.S. official confirmed, with the blind dissident telling one reporter he wants to "leave for the U.S. on Hillary Clinton's plane."

  The latest twist in an increasingly complex diplomatic stand-off comes as a prominent human rights advocate on Capitol Hill accuses the Obama administration of trying to sweep away the controversy to make way for diplomatic photo-ops at a round of Beijing meetings. The opening day of those talks, which include Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was Thursday.

  "Unfortunately, having this summit and trying to get this off the table in time for the happy pictures and the photo-ops with the summit may have driven this in a way that led to a poor outcome," Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., told FoxNews.com. "How are they going to guarantee his safety?"

  The situation is developing by the hour, though, and U.S. officials are continuing to reach out to Chen Guangcheng.

  The blind activist first escaped house arrest and fled to the U.S. Embassy in China last week, touching off the diplomatic dispute. He finally left the embassy Wednesday to seek medical care and visit his family at a local hospital -- a decision U.S. officials described as his own. Yet despite initial U.S. claims that the Beijing government offered assurances to Chen and that Chen wanted to stay in China with his family, those claims are being challenged.

  Chen told reporters Wednesday that the Chinese, via U.S. intermediaries, had threatened to send his family back to their home province where they were persecuted if he did not leave the embassy -- he said one U.S. official passed on a message that his wife would be killed, though the U.S. State Department adamantly denies the claim. Chen is now saying he wants to leave China -- he told The Daily Beast he wants to fly out with Clinton.

  A U.S. spokeswoman on Thursday confirmed that Chen wants to leave with his family. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters that U.S. officials had spoken twice Thursday with Chen and also with his wife and "they as a family have had a change of heart about whether they want to stay in China."

  Nuland and other officials would not discuss the possibility of Chen being granted U.S. asylum but said earlier that "we will do what we can to help him achieve" what he wants.

  U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke also told reporters that Chen had been "very clear from the very, very beginning that he wanted to stay in China."

  "We asked him, did you want to go to the United States, and he said no; maybe someday to study, but his immediate goal was to stay in China and to help with the cause," Locke said.

  The ambassador said Chen was "never pressured to leave" the embassy and had never asked for asylum in the U.S.

  But Smith said the U.S. should "without a doubt" revisit his case and consider granting him asylum, chiding the administration for its handling of the affair.

  "There is no safe place in China if you're a dissident. It doesn't exist. It's an oxymoron," Smith said. "I think we missed an opportunity to press for asylum."

  Chen reportedly has tried to reach out to Smith, asking that a message be sent to him to "help my family and I leave safely."

  Smith, in an interview with FoxNews.com, said he has not yet gotten in touch with Chen. He said he called the U.S. Embassy in China on Tuesday night to try to reach him and "stood by the phone all night," to no avail. He said he never got a call back but is "responding as if I did."

  Smith has tried to visit Chen in China before, but said the Chinese Embassy in Washington, D.C., had turned him down for a visa.

  Other Republican lawmakers also put added pressure on the Obama administration in the wake of Chen's published comments.

  "Having handed Chen Guangcheng back over to the Chinese government, the Obama administration is responsible for ensuring his safety," House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement. "While our economic relationship with China is important and vital to the future of people in both countries, the United States has an obligation to use its engagement with China to press for reforms in China's human rights practices, particularly with respect to the reprehensible 'one-child' policy."

  Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said that "if American does not speak up for Mr. Chen, who will?"
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